The Historicity of John’s Gospel in Question
As Professor James Barr says somewhere, conservative Christians typically adopt a maximally conservative position on the Bible – and look for a scholar who most closely approximates to their views. So FF Bruce is inevitably a favourite. But he is often quoted not because a conservative apologist has considered the exegetical issues objectively for himself, but because the scholar by critical means comes closest to the conservatives position – which was arrived at dogmatically.
The Revd Dr Richard A. Burridge is Dean of King’s College, London and a leading expert on the canonical gospels. He has written probably the standard work on the gospel genres What Are the Gospels? (Cambridge University Press). In another book written as an introductory work for Kings College students entitled Jesus now and then (SPCK 2004), he says this about the gospels:
“Some modern studies assume that if there is ‘fiction’ in the gospels, then they are inauthentic or unreliable. However, closer attention to literary criticism shows that no one wrote a classical biography to provide a documented historical text as we might capture something with a tape recorder, but rather in an attempt to get ‘inside’ the person. Thus, John’s stress on ‘truth’ is not about documented fact but the higher truth of who Jesus is, which is why he writes in a biographical format. For him, Jesus is ’the way, the truth and the life’, so his Jesus says these words (John 14.16). To ask whether Jesus actually ever spoke these words is to miss the point completely. This is neither a lie nor a fiction; it is simply a way of bringing out the truth about the subject which the author wishes to tell the audience.”
So says Dr. Burridge. I strongly disagree with his stricture: ‘To ask whether Jesus actually ever spoke these words is to miss the point completely’. If we wish to do responsible Jesus research then this is precisely the kind of question we must ask. I emailed him about this a year ago but he never replied.
FF Bruce on the Gospel of John
Here is an extract from his commentary. I chose to copy a section from his discussion of the historicity of John’s portrait of Jesus. Bruce’s argument is rather convoluted and overly subtle in parts. I have added some of my own thoughts at the end.
The Gospel of John by FF Bruce, published in 1983 by Eerdmans
Taken from the Introduction, pp. 15-17
The Evangelist records words which were really spoken, actions which were really performed. His record of these words and actions includes their interpretation, in which their inward significance is disclosed and faith is quickened in Jesus as the Revealer of the Father and the Saviour of the world.
The source of the Evangelist’s interpretation of Jesus’ words and actions is clearly indicated in his record. He reports Jesus’ promise that the Holy Spirit, the Paraclete, would come to guide his disciples into all truth, especially by bringing to their remembrance all that Jesus had taught them and making it plain to them. In reporting this promise, the Evangelist implies that he himself experienced a rich fulfillment of it, as he pondered the significance of what Jesus had done and said during his ministry, as he shared with others what he and his companions had seen and heard, and as he finally caused the contents of this gospel to be set down in writing. If in this Gospel the words and deeds of Jesus appear to have undergone ‘transposition into a higher key’ than that with which we are familiar in the Synoptic Gospels, this is the effect of the Spirit’s enabling the Evangelist to adapt the story of Jesus to a different public from that for which the earlier Gospels were designed. The Spirit was, among other things, to serve as a trustworthy interpreter; his interpretive ministry is clearly to be discerned in the Gospel according to John.
Interpretation (which in the Gospels involved, at an early stage, translation from the Aramaic which Jesus normally spoke into Greek) may take a variety of forms. A word-for-word transcription or translation is scarcely an interpretation in the usual sense of the word. Today one would ‘interpret’ the words of Jesus by transposing them from the Hellenistic Greek in which they have been preserved into a late twentieth-century idiom (whether English or any other language). Interpretation may result in an abridgement or a summary (it is widely believed, for example, that the speeches in Acts are literary summaries of what was originally spoken at much greater length). It may, on the other hand, result in an expanded version of what was said; if so, it will probably include a good deal of paraphrase. If the effect of such an expanded paraphrase is to bring out the sense more fully, then the use of this form is amply justified.
Plutarch, in his Life of Brutus, describes what happened in Rome on the morrow of Julius Caesar’s assassination:
Anthony and his supports demanded that Caesar’s will should be read in public, and that Caesar’s body should not be buried in private but with customary honors.…Brutus agreed to these demands….
The first consequence of this was that, when it became known that according to the terms of his will the dictator had presented seventy five drachmas to each Roman citizen and had bequeathed to the citizens the use of his gardens beyond the Tiber,… a great wave of affection for Caesar and a powerful sense of his loss swept over the people. The second consequence was that, after the dead man had been brought to the forum, Anthony delivered the customary funeral oration over his body. As soon as he saw that the people were deeply stirred by his speech, he changed his tone and struck a note of compassion, and picking up Caesar’s toga, stiff with blood as it was, he unfolded it for all to see, pointing out each gash where the daggers had stabbed through and the number of Caesar’s wounds. At this his hearers lost all control of their emotions. Some called out for the assassins to be killed; others…dragged out benches and tables from the neighboring shops and piled them on top of one another to make an enormous pyre. On this they laid Caesar’s corpse and cremated it….As the flames began to mount, people rushed up from all sides, seized burning brands, and ran through the city to the assassin’s houses to set fire to them.
A vivid enough account, to be sure. But how was Caesar’s will read, and what exactly did Mark Anthony say in his eulogy? A satisfying answer to these two questions is provided in a well-known English interpretation of Plutarch’s narrative – not a word-for-word translation but an expanded paraphrase in which it is Anthony who reads Caesar’s will aloud after he has excited the indignation of the crowd by exhibiting Caesar’s torn and blood-stained robe and exposing his wounded corpse. Anthony’s whole speech, from its low-key exordium:
Friends, Romans, countryman, lend me your ears;
I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him –
To its ringing peroration:
Here was a Caesar! When comes such an other?
Is a translation of the freest kind, a transposition into another key; but Shakespeare’s genius enables him to put the right words into Anthony’s mouth, ‘endeavoring as nearly as possible’ (in Thucydidean fashion), ‘to give the general purport of what was actually said’.
What Shakespeare does by dramatic insight (and, it may be added, what many a preacher does by homiletical skill), all this and much more the Spirit of God accomplished in our Evangelist. It does not take divine inspiration to provide a verbatim transcript; but to reproduce the words which were spirit and life to their first believing hearers in such a way that they continue to communicate their saving message and prove themselves to be spirit and life to men and women today, nineteen centuries after John wrote – that is the word of the Spirit of God. It is through the Spirit’s operation that, in William Temple’s words, ‘the mind of Jesus himself was what the Fourth Gospel disclosed’; and it is through the illumination granted by the same Spirit that one may still recognise in this Gospel the authentic voice of Jesus.
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So there you have it. To the simple question, did the historical Jesus actually speak the words attributed to him in the Gospel of John? FF Bruce would answer, No.
Bruce’s discussion is completely in the mainstream of scholarly views on John. But he is a favorite of fundamentalist Christians who think his analysis supports the straightforward historicity of John’s Jesus, when it clearly doesn’t.
Paul
Excellent entry, Paul. I was very much surprised to learn that FF Bruce held these views considering how Christians like James White consider him an authority. I was even more surprised to read “to ask whether Jesus actually ever spoke these words is to miss the point completely’”. Can you imagine if a Hadith scholar said such a thing about the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him)? The Orientalists would have a field day.
On another note, how did the MDI inagural debate go? I hesitated to tell you this before the debate so as not to color your perceptions but Sami’s pugnaciousness makes Adnan Rashid look like a Boy Scout (not that its necessarily a bad thing).I would love to get your thougts on the debate.
peace
Salam
The MDI debate went well, by common consent. It will be available to view shortly and I’ll post a link on my blog when its uploaded.
Yes, I know what you mean about Sami’s style, but truly he did a very good job and behaved himself! His opponent was a gentleman too, so it was all very civilised.
Paul
Significantly, John the Evangelist believed and asserted that Jesus was divine. So regardless of whether actual words are captured in the text, the words themselves reflect the views & beliefs of an eyewitness of Jesus. And this eyewitness (John) made certain that Jesus was divine, was crucified and was raised from the dead.
It is also important to make clear that John himself was the author of the Gospel (Bruce also argued this). Here are two early references which show this:
1. From the anti-Marcionite Prologues to the Gospels (dated late 2nd century):
“The Gospel of John was published and given to the churches by John when he was still in the body, as a man of Hierapolis, Papias by name, John’s dear disciple, has related in his five Exegetical books.”
2. Irenaeus quoting Polycarp says:
“John, the disciple of the Lord, who leaned back on his breast, published the Gospel while he was resident at Ephesus in Asia…”
For more points which show John as the author of the 4th Gospel:
http://www.tektonics.org/ntdocdef/johndef.html
Thus from John’s Gospel, the historical Jesus saw himself as divine, died on the cross and rose from the dead.
Hi John
I agree that the author of the fourth gospel considered Jesus to be divine in some sense, though in what sense is highly disputed – see the clash between Arius and Athanasius in the 4th century over Christology (Arius had the better grasp of the NT on Jesus).
To me it matters supremely whether the gospel writers report the words of Jesus accurately or not. Clearly, as nearly all scholars accept, John takes huge liberties (by our standards) with the historical Jesus. Jesus did not utter those ‘I am’ statements so beloved of Evangelistic preaching. We now know that even the synoptic writers changed and altered the words of Jesus when they saw fit (see for one example of many, how Matthew changes Jesus’ words: Mark 10:17-18 and Matthew 19:16-17). Eyewitness can embellish stories to reflect their beliefs decades after the events occurred as is well known from psychological research into human memory and recall.
Fundamentalists complain loudly about this analysis, but they are like the Ptolemaic astronomers who when confronted with the hard observations of Copernicus clung to untenable positions about the earth being the centre of the universe.
As to the apostle John being the author of the gospel, I cannot go into the detailed arguments here, but just to say that there is a scholarly consensus over the past 100 yeas that the apostle is not the author, though of course there are dissenting voices such as FF Bruce. I refer you to the magisterial ‘An Introduction to the New Testament’ by Raymond E Brown for an expert analysis of the issues. Brown was the greatest commentator on the Gospel of John in the 20th century and was no liberal. But I find his arguments persuasive that the apostle John is not the evangelist.
It is most unlikely that the historical Jesus saw himself as divine. Our earliest sources suggest he did not. I am particularly impressed by the detailed analysis of the Jesus tradition in ‘Christology in the Making, A New Testament Inquiry into the Origins of the Doctrine of the Incarnation’ by James DG Dunn. As he states on page 32, ‘if we are to submit our speculations to the text and build our theology only with the bricks provided by careful exegesis we cannot say with any confidence that Jesus knew himself to be divine, the pre-existent Son of God’.
Raymond Brown makes clear that Jesus perceived himself as God. In Responses to 101 Questions on the Bible (99), he says:
“Did Jesus have an identity which his followers later came to understand in terms of his being God? If he was God (and most Christians do agree on that), did he know who he was? I think the simplest answer to that question is yes.”
Ben Witherington shows two examples in which Jesus claimed divinity:
Consider Matthew 11:19-20, (NIV). We have here a parallel construction, “The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, ‘Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.” But wisdom is vindicated by her actions.” It is quite clear in this case that the one called Wisdom is the Son of Man. Jesus is revealing His divine origins and His divine wisdom by directly calling Himself Wisdom, an allusion knowledgable Jews would immediately recognize.
http://www.4truth.net/site/apps/nl/content3.asp?c=hiKXLbPNLrF&b=784431&ct=1460527
Also in Witherington’s blog:
Furthermore, the Synoptic Gospels most certainly do view Christ as divine. This is why he is portrayed as Immanuel for example in Matthew’s Gospel, or as the human and also divine Son of Man of Daniel 7 fame who came from heaven to judge the world and will rule in a kingdom for ever (see Mk. 14.62).
http://benwitherington.blogspot.com/2009/04/colbert-interrupts-ehrman.html
The Son of Man reference is clear evidence that Jesus held himself as divine. The ancient world recognised this phraseology as a claim to divinity. Jewish apocryphal references demonstrate the same. Dr. Darrell Bock explains the significance of the “right hand” reference in his Blasphemy and Exaltation in Judaism (203):
“The right hand reference, which means in this culture that Jesus is claiming to be seated by God “in a way that shares the highest honor with him.” In other texts, the “right hand of God” is the place where the splendor and majesty of God comes from (Testament of Job), and the righteous are honored by being allowed to stand (not sit) at the right hand of God.”
In the multitude of instances where Jesus refers to himself as the Son of Man, he does not refer to a group of people but to himself. This evidence demonstrates that he refers to himself (and not to a group of saints) as the Son of Man when referring to Daniel 7.
Hi John
thanks for your interesting response.
I agree that Raymond Brown believed that Jesus was ‘God’. However, I think is important to remember that he was a loyal Roman Catholic who believed that the creeds and the ordinary magisterium of the Church were infallible. Let me explain: on the issue of the historicity of the virgin birth he came to the conclusion, based on purely historical critical considerations (analysing the infancy narratives of Luke and Mathew) that the infancy material was of “dubious historicity” and contained “folklore” and myth (see his Virginal Conception & Bodily Resurrection of Jesus, page 53). But Brown accepted the historicity of the virgin birth. How so? Because ultimately he accepted that the RC Church was guided by the Holy Spirit in its doctrines, and this latter consideration was decisive for Brown’s own belief in the virgin birth (see p. 38, and passim).
Brown, like all critical scholars, recognised that there had been a considerable development in the Church’s Christology over the decades since Jesus’ ascension, culminating in the explicit high Christology of John’s gospel (which was not written by the apostle John, according to Brown). The ‘I am’ sayings are therefore not accepted by scholars as historical words of Jesus.
Brown can take this in his stride better than most Protestants because for him the ‘Word of God’ is not scripture alone but includes the God inspired Tradition and teaching of the Church. Evangelical scholars like Jimmy Dunn, who only look at the NT for their Christology, do not reach the conclusion that Jesus was God, as I mentioned in my previous comment.
As I remarked before, ‘To me it matters supremely whether the gospel writers report the words of Jesus accurately or not. Clearly, as nearly all scholars accept, John takes huge liberties (by our standards) with the historical Jesus. Jesus did not utter those ‘I am’ statements so beloved of Evangelistic preaching.’
You have not responded to this, John. I would like you to.
Now to the synoptics.
I’m glad you mentioned Matthew 11:19-20. I have written an academic paper on Matthew’s Wisdom Christology and Q. As my answer to your point I would like to refer you to it:
http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/archives/2007/the-apotheosis-of-jesus-of-nazareth/
Your claim that ‘The Son of Man reference is clear evidence that Jesus held himself as divine. The ancient world recognised this phraseology as a claim to divinity’ is laughable.
I will simply refer you to the exhaustive discussions of the meanings of this term in Vermes and Dunn.
Paul
A further thought. You write:
‘Dr. Darrell Bock explains the significance of the “right hand” reference in his Blasphemy and Exaltation in Judaism (203):
“The right hand reference, which means in this culture that Jesus is claiming to be seated by God “in a way that shares the highest honor with him.” In other texts, the “right hand of God” is the place where the splendor and majesty of God comes from (Testament of Job), and the righteous are honored by being allowed to stand (not sit) at the right hand of God.”
To be seated NEXT to God is not, logically, to be God Himself. The two are ontologically distinct. It does not mean that Jesus himself is the creator of the universe, eternal, very God from very God etc. as the creeds put it.
Exalt Jesus as much as you like, he is not identical to, of the same substance as, the Deity.
Arius was right…
Vermes has been dealt with by Fitzmyer, Hare and others. A major criticism of Vermes is that his data is much too late to be of sustainable use.
In 1 Enoch, the Son of Man “will be worshipped throughout the earth”.
If you look into the works of Michael Heiser, you will find that in Ugaritic texts (at least 1200 BCE), Baal is called “the one who rides the clouds,” or “the one who mounts the clouds.” Everyone in Israel who heard this title associated it with a deity.
As you well know, this is the title of Yahweh (Isa 19:1; Deut 33:26; Ps 68:33; 104:3).
Thus, the Israelites believed that Yahweh “rode” on the clouds.
In Daniel 7 however, there is a plurality – the sovereign meets with the heavenly host.
When Jesus identified himself as the Son of Man, he identified himself as “the cloud rider”, claiming to be God Himself.
You may be right about the authorship of John. There are some compelling reasons that the “disciple whom Jesus loved” was Lazarus, as Sanders and others argue.
Whether the “I am” statements are authentic, one probably cannot say with certainty either way.
John, just to remind you that the subject of these posts is ‘The Historicity of John’s Gospel in Question’
Here is the problem:
“Some modern studies assume that if there is ‘fiction’ in the gospels, then they are inauthentic or unreliable. However, closer attention to literary criticism shows that no one wrote a classical biography to provide a documented historical text as we might capture something with a tape recorder, but rather in an attempt to get ‘inside’ the person. Thus, John’s stress on ‘truth’ is not about documented fact but the higher truth of who Jesus is, which is why he writes in a biographical format. For him, Jesus is ’the way, the truth and the life’, so his Jesus says these words (John 14.16). To ask whether Jesus actually ever spoke these words is to miss the point completely. This is neither a lie nor a fiction; it is simply a way of bringing out the truth about the subject which the author wishes to tell the audience.”
“So says Dr. Burridge. I strongly disagree with his stricture: ‘To ask whether Jesus actually ever spoke these words is to miss the point completely’. If we wish to do responsible Jesus research then this is precisely the kind of question we must ask. ”
You have not responded to this, John. I would still like you to.
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You cannot dismiss Vermes so quickly. You misunderstand the perhaps correct criticism of Vermes on his use of late data from the Talmud. But this criticism has nothing to do with his analysis of the ’son of man’ sayings at all!
I recommend you read Jimmy Dunn on this. I am not going to rehash all the scholarship on this subject, but I want to say that ‘the son of man’ sayings certainly do not refer to a divine figure in Second Temple Judaism, as you think. It usually refers to a human being.
Here are some quotes from Dunn’s conclusion in Christology in the Making to the chapter discussing ‘the son of man’:
“On the basis of the evidence available to us it is not possible to speak with any confidence of a pre-Christian Son of Man concept” p95
“The thought of the Son of Man as a pre-existent heavenly figure does not seem to have emerged in Jewish of Christian circles before the last decades of the first century AD.” p96
Quotes from: Christology in the Making a New Testament Inquiry into the Origins of the Doctrine of the Incarnation. I recommend you get hold of a copy and study it closely. Raymond Brown said of Dunn’s book “James Dunn has made some truly important contributions to the study of Jesus and of NT Christology. As readers make progress in the field, he is an author who absolutely must be read.” I agree with these sentiments.
http://www.amazon.com/Christology-Making-Testament-Doctrine-Incarnation/dp/0802842577
I would also recommend Brown’s own work on the subject: ‘An Introduction to New Testament Christology’.
Also one must always factor into one’s reading of Matthew the fact that his portrait of Jesus is an interpreted portrait, and we know from his redaction of Mark that he is quite capable of altering Jesus’ sayings (even changing their meaning) to make a point.
We will not get very far by merely asserting conclusions and making references to books.
I feel that I have given the detailed arguments with the points I am making.
Dunn is a NT scholar and has not dealt with Ugaritic texts as Heiser has.
I was encouraging you to read mainstream scholarship. I suspect you only read scholars who already agree with your views. Its vital that you read people like Dunn and Vermes if you want to have an informed understanding of these subjects. Our theology should not be the slave of apologetics.
Usually with the Christians I speak to it is…
“I feel that I have given the detailed arguments with the points I am making.”
Actually you have not responded to my repeated requests for you to comment on the subject of my blog: the historicity of John’s Jesus. If Jesus did not utter the words that John put into his mouth, then much Evangelistic preaching, which assumes Jesus did say these things, is not based on the historical Jesus at all.
“Dunn is a NT scholar and has not dealt with Ugaritic texts as Heiser has.” How do you know this? I suspect you have not read a single work by this scholar!
Yes I have read Dunn. Where has he dealt with them (the Ugaritic texts)? If you can point out where, then I apologize and stand corrected.
Now have you read Heiser?
What Dunn have you read? I have not read any Heiser.
Dunn has written so much that I cannot recall if he mentins the ‘Ugaritic texts’. But the consensus of NT scholars seems to be that ’son of man’ meant a human being and only later after Christian reflection did it take on divine overtones.
My post on this blog concerns the historicity of John’s gospel. Given that the unknown author puts the ‘I am’ sayings into Jesus’ mouth how does this effect your view of the gospel as a reliable report of Jesus’ teaching? Do you accept that NT Christology developed substantially over time? Do you accept that the earliest Christology was not trinitarian? These are the issues that scholars discuss and that I wish to explore…